Re: Датировка затмения Прокла - Roger-y, gorm-y и другим

Автор сообщения: Й. Табов
Дата и время сообщения: 20 March 2006 at 00:53:44:

В ответ на сообщение: Re: Датировка затмения Прокла - Roger-y, gorm-y и другим

Уважаемый gorm,

Вы написали:
"Мне крайне стыдно, но многие из этих цитат с очевидными опечатками привел я. Поэтому, если вздумаете их где-то публиковать, исправьте эти опечатки, пожалуйста. Ни на какие ссылки я не претендую."

Я решил, что Вы взяли эти ссылки из сообщения Roger-a:

Автор сообщения: (c) Roger. Дата и время сообщения: 03 March 2006 at 23:43:21:

В ответ на сообщение: Датировка затмения Прокла

Я тоже хочу поделиться с Вами своей маленькой радостью. На Новый Год я подарил себе книгу D. Justin Schove, Alan Fletcher "Chronology of Eclipses and Comets, AD 1-1000". Отчасти это было связано с беседой о Прокле, так что тут я Вам признателен. Чтобы не оставаться в долгу, я набил оттуда всё, что касается этих двух затмений. Конечно, немного жалко, что мои достижения в греческой словестности являются давно пройденным этапом в развитии науки, но я, признаться, и не рассчитывал на какие-то сногсшибательные открытия в этой области.


In the life of Athenian philosopher Proclus, written, probably very soon after the death of Proclus, by his pupil and successor Marinus, an observed solar eclipse and a predicted eclipse are mentioned; Marini vita Procli, ed. J.F. Boissonade, 1814, Ch.37, p.29. "Portents occurred a year before his death, such as the solar eclipse, which was so considerable that night occurred in the daytime. For there was deep darkness and stars were seen. This happened in Capricorn near the rising point (of the Sun). The Almanac makers also noted another eclipse as due to occur about the end of the first year." Ginz.1899, 222 gives Greek text and German translation; Newt.1970, 119-120; 1972, 540, gives a first and a revised English translation, with comments; there is an English translation of the whole Life in L.J.Rosán, the Philosophy of Proclus, New York 1949, pp.13-35. Stephenson and Clark 1978, 4, give a revised translation and state that this is probably the most reliable of all solar eclipses reported in the Classics, adding "It is a pity that there is no precise mention of totality". We have credited it with 9 points for identification and 6 for the information contained. This eclipse is used by Newt.1979, 420, by Muller and Stephenson 1975, and by Muller 1975.

In Ch.35, Marinus says that Proclus died on April 17 in the 124th year after the rule of Julian. Here Marinus is counting his years for ideological reasons from the reign of Julian the Apostate, who became sole emperor on 361 Nov.3. We are aware of no reckoning which would make Marinus put the death of Proclus outside the triennium AD 484-6; AD 485 is the most commonly accepted. Marinus also gives the archon of Athens for the year as the younger Nicagoras, who appears to have functioned in 484-5.

In that period, or even one extended at both ends, the only solar eclipse which occurred in Capricorn was S.484 Jan 14, which did occur in Capricorn and around sunrise at Athens. As far as we know, the identification has never been challenged. The discussion in Ginz.1899, 222 and the re-discussion by Neugebauer (1931) argue respectively for totality actually at, and only near, Athens.

The earliest identification we have ourselves inspected is given in Ricc.1653, but this refers back a few years to the catalogue of Reinerius (Vincenzo Reinieri, d.1684).


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